Simple block detector - zero loss

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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 00:10

rjversluis wrote:Hi Richard,

Peter will also evaluate your approach with ADC converters.
If he is convinced of usability he will probably use a PIC with 8 analog inputs and 8 digital outputs to create a solution for GCA50, CAN-GC2 and GCA-Pi02.
The measured analog value is not really a usable parameter so in this case it will be lost.
But if the tests work out well you can be proud of your self triggering this DIY project.



What Peter does is up to him. He is the real engineer around here. Me? I am just a hack who barely knows what end of the soldering iron to grab.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 02:22

Rob,

The relative usefulness of ADC values is questionable to me. Having said that, I suppose it is possible to say something like this "One car is in block" or "Running Loco Detected in block" How useful is that information? I have no idea. I doubt it is of any use whatsoever. Either a train is in a block or it isn't.

I am expecting my shipment of transformers tomorrow.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 28.02.2014, 08:24

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rocrail.001.trc:20140228.081939.702 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:157 on id(ent)= load=128
rocrail.001.trc:20140228.081939.705 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:159 on id(ent)= load=243
rocrail.001.trc:20140228.081939.707 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:160 on id(ent)= load=245
rocrail.001.trc:20140228.081939.871 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:157 off id(ent)= load=0
rocrail.001.trc:20140228.081942.170 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:158 on id(ent)= load=32
rocrail.001.trc:20140228.082034.335 r9999c rnreader OrocNet  1476 sensor report 201:158 off id(ent)= load=3
Best Regards, Rob.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 16:21

That looks great Rob. That actually makes my life easier.
Richard
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 28.02.2014, 17:42

Richard-TX wrote:That looks great Rob. That actually makes my life easier.

Why?
Its just funny information which you cannot use.
Best Regards, Rob.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 17:52

Actually I can. When I am doing testing and want to see what the effect has on changes that I make, I can measure them using Rocrail alone. I don't have to use Rocrail plus one of my programs.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 28.02.2014, 17:58

OK. :)
Until now you did a good job; Even Peter got interested and ordered the Murata transformers you advised. 8)
Best Regards, Rob.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 18:15

I understand.

I agree that for the normal user, it is pointless at this time. It is likely better to have it that to not. Maybe someone will find a use for it.
Richard
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 28.02.2014, 18:27

rjversluis wrote:OK. :)
Until now you did a good job; Even Peter got interested and ordered the Murata transformers you advised. 8)


I think that the current transformer project will be good for Peter's business. Life is all about choices and offering two block detector solutions should be good.

I will be working on the TTL version this weekend. I will let you know what I come up with. That little add-on could be a lucrative one for Peter. I envision 1. 2, and 4 detector boards for use with the CGA-Pi02
Richard
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 02.03.2014, 06:58

I now have the final TTl version for use with a MCP23017 or MCP23008.

This will require 3 turns for the primary to detect a 10k ohm load.

This circuit works. Note the transformer part number change from the ADC version.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 02.03.2014, 08:17

I suspect that a 56300C transformer will detect a 10 k ohm load with two turns for the transformer's primary.

Pics to follow

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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 03.03.2014, 12:12

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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby Richard-TX » 03.03.2014, 12:57

That was fast and looks great too.

I was going to post a picture of mine but now I can't. Mine looks horrible in comparison.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 03.03.2014, 13:00

Best Regards, Rob.
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Re: Simple block detector - zero loss

Postby rjversluis » 03.03.2014, 18:14

Hi Richard,

if you force a shortcut what ADC value is reported by your I2C solution?
Or is there a threshold possible for shortcut/overload of a section?
Best Regards, Rob.
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