[Temporarily solved!] Where is the Bidib-menu?

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[Temporarily solved!] Where is the Bidib-menu?

Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 15:54

Hallo @all!

I had a look on all threads concernig railcom and bidib. I also found the configuration menu in the docu, but where is this menu in my rocrail?
Sorry, I can't find it...please help!
Release-Nr. is 2570.

Thanks in advance.
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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 16:24

Hi Peter,

there is only a controller setup dialog for BidiB, no menu. (Like LocoNet or xPressNet...)
BiDiB is not GA so I presume you do not have the needed hardware:
http://wiki.rocrail.net/doku.php?id=bidib-en

The only tested GA hardware is the RC-Link:
http://wiki.rocrail.net/doku.php?id=tams-railcom-en

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Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 16:37

Thank you Rob!

Ok, I detected the new bidib-base!

I'm not 100% familiar to bidib and rocrail yet... What's about the LZV100 and the Lenz+ - decoders? They all are railcom-"ready"!

Is the concept in rocrail so, that I must use another base for bidib and there is no possibility for using my lenz lzv100 too?
I'm a little bit confused now :roll:



I'm very interested in an implementation to my system if it's possible :wink:

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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 16:52

Hi,

RailCom needs following hardware and software:

- RailCom decoders
- DCC CS/Booster which generates RailCom cut-outs
- An interface to get RailCom data

LZV100 needs recent firmware to be able to do the cut-out job.
Lenz decoders are RailCom ready.
Lenz does not offer an interface to get RailCom data. The only one available is RC-Link from Tams. But to read out CV's on the main by xPressNet and RC-Link is not possible because the LZV100 Firmware is not ready to process such requests.

Still confused? Ask Lenz for hardware and software availability to get the RailCom data. On their web-site is an interface, but is pending for several years...

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Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 16:55

Rob, possible the last question in this thread:

Bying and implementing such a tams-device makes me happy?!?

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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 17:18

Hi Peter,
73funki wrote: Bying and implementing such a tams-device makes me happy?!?
No.

The only functional, reliable and GA Bi-Directional communications is Lissy, but that needs LocoNet which you do not have.

I can only advice to wait for BiDiB hardware.

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Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 18:33

So I have misunderstood all I read about dibib.... :oops:
Dibib is not identical to railcom, is it?

Thank you rob!

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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 18:36

Hi Peter,
73funki wrote: Dibib is not identical to railcom, is it?
BiDiB is a protocol and a hardware bus specification which also supports RailCom.
So it is not identical but related.

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Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 18:45

Sorry Rob, I ment that!

OK, I have to wait for the LRC35 from Lenz... I will ask for it tomorrow :wink:

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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 20:48

73funki wrote:OK, I have to wait for the LRC35 from Lenz... I will ask for it tomorrow :wink:
Good fortune and patience. :wink:

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Post by 73funki » 19.04.2011, 21:16

Good evening Rob!

On question left yet!
The LZV100 is able to read the railcom-signal from the loco. What is the difference (from railcom-side) between the Tams RC and the LZV100? The Lzv can read the railcom data and so the Tams-RC! Can you explain it a little bit closer to me? It would be nice.

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Post by rjversluis » 19.04.2011, 21:48

Hi,

the xPressNet Protocol does not support RailCom in the current implementation.
If the LZV100 has a global RailCom reader it won't help a bit because there is no way to read it out by computer using the RS232/USB Lenz Interface.

Because Lenz is developing, or intend to, a separate interface for RailCom could indicate a bandwidth problem of the existing xPressNet bus.

Two years ago I started asking Lenz for providing the protocol for the LRC135, but after a year I gave up asking the same question over and over.
Lots of new products are presented on their web site but you can't buy it.

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Post by 73funki » 20.04.2011, 07:58

Gopod mornig Rob!

According to some of your posts in this thread: What the hell ist GA?

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Post by rjversluis » 20.04.2011, 09:38

GA=General Available

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Post by 73funki » 20.04.2011, 10:29

Ah! Thank you Rob!

Some minutes ago I had a very interesting phone call with lenz!
The LRC135 will never be bought!
The development is stopped for some month.....

After asking and asking the man on the other side told me that they left the "contract" with other manufacturers and will do their own things. In autumn 2011 :? a device should be available which is like an "busy detector" for some blocks (Sorry, I don't know the word for Gleisbesetztmelder!).
May be, it's like that one: http://www.bluecher-elektronik.de/index ... er/gmb16xn

Now the last question in this thread (may be :lol: ).
Is it possible to use the above mentioned "Blücher" with the lenz-devides for rocrail?!?

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