Italians Signal

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Italians Signal

Post by Buddace » 30.11.2009, 11:57

Hi all :D I would like use Italian Signal on Rocrail GUI. So first problem: some signal can have some "vela". Single "vela" can have 4 color (red, yellow,gree, switchoff). How can I do this ? es. 2 "vela"
Italians signal website: http://www.segnalifs.it/

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Post by Besra » 01.12.2009, 12:48

Hi Nuccio,

I think you will need a special signal-decoder for it but it did not understand your problem completely. What do you mean by "vela"?

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Post by Buddace » 01.12.2009, 13:12

"vela" is a signal light ....it can have 4 color...red,green,yellow,switch off
This is example. There are two different signal. First made from two "vele" is "Avviso" and second made from two "vele" is "Protezione"
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Decoder is not problem...I use home made decoder, we need two output for any "Vela" (red,green,yellow, switch off). Problem is rocrail icon....
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Post by ron&bram » 01.12.2009, 13:26

I think that what is mend here is that Italian signals can be composed of multiple lights. Each individual light can be red, green, yellow or off. A signal with two lights above each other can for example have the bottom light showing yellow and the top light showing green.
Further, I would say that avviso means distant signal (vorsignal) and protezione means home signal (hauptsignal).

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Post by Buddace » 01.12.2009, 13:32

ron&bram wrote:I think that what is mend here is that Italian signals can be composed of multiple lights. Each individual light can be red, green, yellow or off.
Exactly...How can I do this with rocrail ?

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Post by Besra » 01.12.2009, 13:42

Hi,

Ok, I see. More or less one could say every "lamp" can have four "colours" (red, green, yellow, off), correct?
You need 8 outputs for one signal but Rocrail offers 4 only. Therefore you can't simply draw a new icon?!
I think this is something for Rob...
By the way: North American Signals would be a challenge too, see http://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/sac.htm for some graphics.

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P.S.: Ronald was faster...

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Post by Buddace » 01.12.2009, 13:45

rjversluis wrote:Hi,

may be you can using patterns:

http://wiki.rocrail.net/doku.php?id=sig ... n#patterns
mm...I think not...my problem is...
Example, italian signal with two "vele" can have this color:
Red-Green
Red-Yellow
Red-SwitchOff

Green-SwitchOff

Yellow-Green

Yellow-SwitchOff

Green-SwitchOff

Other combination are not valid.
FOr this signal I need draw 7 different icon x 3 (track free,occupied,route)...but how drive ?

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Post by Besra » 01.12.2009, 13:46

Hi,

patterns was my first idea, too. But I think for one lamp only...

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Post by rjversluis » 01.12.2009, 19:14

Rocrail only supports 4 aspects in manual and automatic mode.
Providing 7 aspects or more is out of scope of model railroading in my opinion.
I really pity the poor train drivers who have to differ between more than 4 aspects especially when the sight is bad...

If Rocrail will implement more then 4 aspects in future versions it will be for manual mode only.

wapolska

Post by wapolska » 01.12.2009, 21:59

In my opinion first we have to understand this

http://www.segnalifs.it/en/

The second step: we need a table for 'Rules of Signalling' in the different countries:

GE, NL, CH, .......


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Post by wapolska » 01.12.2009, 22:33

Hi,

the other step is to look at this page: il treno for the Signals (Hardware)

I thing we need not more at the moment, because the Signals (il treno) have not all the different colours included.

On the other hand, you can ask Peter for a special Italy-decoder. But without hardware?

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Post by Buddace » 02.12.2009, 09:18

rjversluis wrote: Providing 7 aspects or more is out of scope of model railroading in my opinion.
I really pity the poor train drivers who have to differ between more than 4 aspects especially when the sight is bad...
During German Fremo meeting is too hard for non Italian people learn means of colour...example Top "Vela" Red and Bottom "Vela" yellow is not stop. But train must enter in station at 30km/h. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk5W35zG0Fo )
Usually in Italy signal out of station have more than 4 aspect

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Post by Buddace » 02.12.2009, 09:22

wapolska wrote: On the other hand, you can ask Peter for a special Italy-decoder. But without hardware
Hello I'have my DIY decoder for Italian signal....for two "Vele" .... drive with railware....
I think use same strategy adopted in Railware to drive Italian signal with Rocrail:
one rocrail signal = one "vela"
two rocrail signal = two "vela" .. etc ..
Now my problem is: how link signal aspect with route ?

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Post by rjversluis » 02.12.2009, 10:00

Hi,

this make no sens.

Step one:

Make a table, without pointing to websites, for all the aspects in "Ascpect & Condition" format.


Step two:

Developers will evaluate this table.


Step three:

Discus about the developer point of view in this forum.


Step four:

Implement or Reject.

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